As many of you might already know, I’m an active member of the English Debating Society Universitas Indonesia. In this society we have an internal joke: it is highly believed that EDS UI should provide affirmative action for men! This joke comes from the fact that the most dominant members (meaning those that have the most achievements or are members of the Board of Executives) are generally ladies. In fact, the number of men in the society is very limited and most of them disappear through time.
We really do not know why this happens, because we definitely do not discriminate men. Neither is debating a ‘women’ activity as in other countries and other universities the condition is quite the opposite. In fact in Australia it has come to a point where there is a competition named the ‘Women’s Debate’. As the name suggests it is a special tournament where only women can compete and was formed in order to encourage more female participation in Australian debating.
So, it’s really weird that EDS UI has the opposite problem…
Now, of course both problems might not have anything to do with gender differentiation. Could just be the reason why women dominate the debating realm in EDS UI is simply because there’s more women than men in UI as a whole.
OR (looking for a more interesting theory) it could be a vicious cycle where at one point in time women did dominate EDS UI out of coincidence. This made many men feel uncomfortable and started to see EDS UI as a women’s club, leaving only those most confident with their masculinity behind. And this phenomenon has repeated year after year to a point where it has become an unbreakable cycle…
Of course this may not be true, but that’s my theory. A theory supported by a fellow female debater in EDS UI who contributed to this theory by adding: “The thing with men is they’re easily intimidated by women who can out-speak them whenever there’s an argument or achieve more than they do. That’s why many can’t stand the women domination in EDS UI.”
Ah… interesting point… God knows how many times I’ve heard guys say something like that to me… *sigh… personal problem*…
Anyways, this article wasn’t meant to beat men to the ground. In fact, I’m writing this to do the opposite because I’ve finally found a case that has restored my confidence in men. This is a story that I’ve heard from Wijay about a mutual friend of ours.
Here it is: A friend of mine from EDS UI who is quite an accomplished debater (Let’s call her ‘T’) has been in a long term relationship with her boyfriend, ‘R’ who isn’t a debater but is quite involved in the debating world.
One day, a friend of his asked R: ‘Aren’t you intimidated by the fact that your girlfriend is more successful than you?’
He answered: ‘Why should I be? What’s wrong isn’t T’s achievements. What’s wrong is your definition of success.’
HAIL T!!!!
Finally…
People are so persistent in comparing CVs and feeling inferior just because they haven’t ‘achieved’ the same ‘successes’ as others… But why should we all assume that there’s only one definition and one form of success??? The term success is so relative and yet people often only focus on financial successes or titles… I mean, all of those things are so overrated. Why can’t people define success as they want to and just be happy to achieve what THEY want to achieve in life without having to define their success by standards made by others? I’m sure this will allow people to be more confident with themselves and won’t feel like a lesser being in front of others… it would also force people to be less obnoxious just because there are people who have a less ambitious definition of success then them.
People should just remember that above the sky there’s more sky and under the sky there’s still more sky… – the translation of the Indonesian phrase: di atas langit ada langit, di bawah langit ada langit, sounds terrible in English.
Why can’t people see beyond one’s CV or one’s outer-image and see the real person within… Everything is so superficial…
*another sigh*
Dhika*Shines
January 21, 2008 at 10:04 am
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January 21, 2008 at 1:29 pm
“…leaving only those most confident with their masculinity behind”.
or those most comfortable with the fact that they have more femininity than masculinity!
Haha, very entertaining hun..
- Queen Bee
January 22, 2008 at 10:27 am
err….kadang nggak juga sih
udah masukin faktor: “males?”
January 22, 2008 at 10:41 am
ade… ada namanya iseng mencari teori2 yang menarik just for the sake of mencari teori yang menarik dan bukan untuk mencari kebenaran…
January 23, 2008 at 3:49 am
hahahaha…gw suka banget jawaban lo
January 23, 2008 at 10:10 am
or.. maybe ‘coz in EDS UI just containing creepy geeky girls than beautiful girls which can’t ‘intimidate’ UI’s men to join it … like saying “ada gula ada semut” …
January 24, 2008 at 12:40 am
Dhik, liat sitkom “Suami-suami Takut Istri” di Trans TV..!? (haha ga pntg). Di sini diceritain, walopun ada suami yg ketua RT, ada yang pujangga+dosen, ada yg kerjaannya bagus &tajir, ada yang badannya lebih kekar dr bodyguard.. semuanya takut sama istri-istri mereka yang ibu rumah tangga.
Anomalinya, cuma ada 1 laki-laki yang profesinya satpam di perumahan, tp istrinya tiga dan nurut semua ama dia…
Jadi??
January 24, 2008 at 1:24 am
@ Adli: jadi, menjeneralisasi sifat perempuan atau sifat laki-laki will never result into anything good.
@Spoiler: you do realize that you are undermining the intelligence of your own sex… but thank you for proving my point on how superficial people (like yourself) can be.
Cheers
January 24, 2008 at 10:31 am
@dhika: yess!! one score for me….
January 25, 2008 at 5:48 am
EDS-UI are dominated by women? Mmmh.. Emang sih tapi Gue justru suka. The girlz are friendly and very nice. It makes me comfy staying around the women. Moreover, the girlz are mostly beautiful and sexy. Yeahh… boy’s hobby.
V: This is unreliable testimonials.. hahaha
January 25, 2008 at 10:10 am
I have absolutely no comment for the last two comments…
Have a good weekend guys… I finally can go home…
Dhika
January 26, 2008 at 4:40 am
woohoo..
avatar pic gw yg baru keren juga yak..hahahaha
April 21, 2008 at 11:27 am
hai, dhika…
aku Lely, anak UNEJ (jember univ, east java)
kamu ketum baru-nya EDS y??? bener g? aku tau info itu dari indo-debaters.Aku tergabung di USEF, kinda debating society on my univ.,just want to say ‘congratulation’, moga USEF bisa ngejalin kerjasama yang baik dengan EDS.
CU,..
April 23, 2008 at 6:48 am
HI, LELY!
Thanks… I also hope that EDS UI and ESEF can maintain a great relationshop this year! Saling kabar2in ya kalau ada kegiatan debat di uni masing2…
May 18, 2008 at 1:06 pm
realism is gaining its power..
May 26, 2008 at 1:43 am
i was wondering too how the female domination could happen in EDS UI, cos u know, it’s rarely happen in other univ (especially on ITB)…
perhaps your theory is right, but you know i’m start thinking that it could be the other “strange” motion from EDS UI member, besides the first “strange” motion i heard from Freida, “THBT Debate Kills Romance”, sounds like her desperation right ?! or perhaps EDS UI member desperation ?? (upps)
i’ll give one solution that EDS UI should start thinking to do a “barter” with other univ i.e. ITB, we give you a bunch of men here, and give us some chicks, hhe (am i that crazy ?!)
November 14, 2008 at 6:30 am
hfh..di psikologi (tmpt 4 taun gw belajar. gw ngubek2 tuh mekanisme otak laki2 dan perempuan).
bizzare.
hey. ally McBeal pernah lho kasi quote yg oke ttg definisi ’sukses’ dan kerangkanya perempuan-laki2. gud one.
kip writing then. nice blog u have